Bubbies and Zaydies clash over Palestinian Conflict

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On March 9th 2012,between 12 and 1pm two opposing groups met on opposite corners of the intersection of 19th and J.F.K. in Center City Philadelphia to express their two views. Their beef as it were was over the solution to the Palestinian Conflict, and who should be supported.

On the corner in front of 1880 J.F.K. Were nine members of the Granny Peace Brigade, for a rally called “Bubbies and Zadies for peace” which means Grandfathers and Grandmothers in Yiddish.

What they're espousing is the end of the Jewish homeland as a Jewish state, which would leave the Jewish people without any safe haven anywhere,” said Henry Frank from the  pro-Israel opposition to the B & Z's for Peace, “I'm here to be anti-hatred and to strengthen the pro-Zionists.”

“Since the days of Lyndon B. Johnson, presidents from both parties have expressed support for the return of the occupied territories in exchange for peace. No nation other than Israel itself recognizes any of that land including Arab East Jerusalem,” said the Grannies in their leaflet

The Zadies ignore the fact that Israel was attacked by six of the surrounding Arab state in 1948 and that the land now occupied was in fact part of the historical homeland of the Jewish people, and that it was due to the '48 war that that land was claimed something that every nation has done when they have gone to war, especially where a war of aggression is perpetrated against them.

The Palestinians and leftist have been attempting to change the history of the region ever since the 1948 war through propaganda such as the idea that the '48 war caused by the Jewish people claiming the land of Israel as their own but, “This, of course, stands history on its head. It makes it seem that Israel's creation prompted the 1948 war, when it actually was a concerted aggression against the nascent Jewish state by half a dozen Arab armies intent on its destruction. Israel was on solid, internationally sanctioned legal ground to plant its flag on Tel Aviv and Jaffa under the 1947 UN partition plan. The UN called for creation of two states -- one Jewish, one Arab. Israel accepted partition; the Arabs flouted the UN mandate and went to war against the Jewish state.

“This myth that the Jews are and have always been the aggressor ignores the historic fact that it was Arab rejection of the two-state UN mandate that fostered the 1948 war.” said Leo Rennert

Ever since then the Jewish state has been calling on and off for a two state solution and extremist Palestinian Arabs such as the PLO, Hezbollah, and Hamas have been calling for complete control of the area and the “pushing of the Jewish people into the sea,” Hezbollah and Hamas have both stated as their end goal for the region.
The Irony of the event is that the spokes people on both side were Jewish, yet they had such vastly different views on the conflicted land. It reminded me of the old Jewish joke “If you put three Jews in a room you have five opinions,” only the lives and futures of children on both side are at stake, so this is no laughing matter.

“As a Jew I am concerned about the Human Rights of every person,” said Cy Swartz with the Bubbas and Zadies Peace Camp, How can we not recognize that we have displaced people.”

“To say that Israel hasn't recognized this is a revision of history, the Israeli government has recognized this sad fact, but faces an issue which the grannies have ignored and that is the duty of the Israeli Government to protect it's citizens,” said Zach Thomas
This is not to say that every Palestinian is to be feared, but when you don't know who your enemy is it is difficult to separate the wheat from the shaft.

One of the Claims made by the Anti-Zionist/pro-Arab movement is that the Jewish people stole the land from the Palestinians.

“The history of a distinctly Palestinian National Identity is a disputed issue amongst scholars,” said Assaf Likhovski a legal historian,“The prevailing view is that Palestinian Identity originated in the early twentieth century.”

For the Jews that have family in the region or who were saved themselves from destruction because the land was returned to them they see the problem differently.

They see Israel as the only place they can survive in peace, the one place in the world were they won't be hated and have their lives threatened by hate.

“I just came back from Israel two weeks ago my children and grandchildren are there, my son owns a Ben and Jerry's franchise factory there, they wont know the hate I've had to endure because they are in their own land,” said Milt Bolno.

The questions aren't who has the right to have their own land in the region it's pretty clear that they both do the question is when are the Palestinians going to accept the two state solution. Should the Israeli's be allowed to defend themselves, should they have a fenced border as we do here on the Mexico-American border and why is it Okay for us to have such a fence and not the Israeli's?

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One state called Palestine

<p>The state of Israel is the last officially aparteid state in the world, now that the Jim Crow south has been (officially) broken and South Africa is no longer under white rule. &nbsp;There can be no peace in Palestine while the State of Israel exists. &nbsp;In its place should be one state called Palestine from the west bank of the Jordan river to the mediterranean sea, one that in law and practice treats Jews and Arabs as political and economic equals.&nbsp;</p> <p>Before the state of Israel was created, Jews and Arabs lived together in what was called Palestine. &nbsp;Then, &nbsp;the land and livelihood of millions of people was violently seized from them to create a state for Jews only. &nbsp;There is a long and brutal history of European violence against Jews, but in 1948 the Palestinian people were made to pay for Europe&#39;s crimes against Jews.</p> <p>All of the so-called progess of the State of Israel is built on the land, blood, and misery of the Palestinian people. &nbsp;This conflict is fundamentally about land and economics, although religion is the form the struggle takes as it is the most obvious difference between the oppressor and the oppressed. &nbsp;A rough analogy can be made with the American south between the end of Reconstruction and the Black Power movement, if we replace &quot;religion&quot; with &quot;race&quot;. &nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>Opposing the State of Israel and its aparteid policies does not make one Anti-semetic. &nbsp;Zionism is NOT Judism, but rather one extremely right wing political tendancy. &nbsp;Supporting Palestinians&#39; struggle for justice and peace is NOT the same as supporting Islamic fundamentalist organizations, many of which are extremely right wing as well. &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;</p>
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It is gutsy

<p>to lay out a pro-Zionist perspective in this forum which is typically the domain of the One State Solution is bold. Nobody is going to &quot;win&quot; this argument. That of course doesn&#39;t mean people aren&#39;t going to enjoy listening to themselves fulminate with indignation but to what end? It is a lot fun to write angry things and feel in the right. Maybe there still are some people whose minds are not made up or who don&#39;t know that much about this issue and maybe it is for these people you are writing. For this audience I wish you had taken more time and given them further links to explore. It&#39;s very deep and complex and what you have written here isn&#39;t a strong introduction to the material.</p> <p>Mainly what you do is assert your argument and label it with &quot;truthiness&quot; (which is a made up by Steven Colbert joke word by the way). You tell us you wanted to be be more open to the Bubbies and Zaydies (the singular of Bubbies is Bubby, not Bubba, by the way, not to be confused with the country music stereotype) but you just couldn&#39;t do that because you tell the &quot;truth&quot;. How can you tell the &quot;truth&quot; in so short a piece? You have to know that entire forests have been decimated to produce the paper to tell the &quot;truth&quot; about this subject. I do want to explicity give you props for trying to take this on so let me just say that one more time: Propers.</p> <p>There are so so very many points you don&#39;t mention here but the one I want to call your attention to is the willingness of the Palestinian side to enter into a Two State arrangement based on the 1967 borders. It&#39;s misleading to blame the Pals for not being ready for two states the way you have written here. I suggest you take a look at Haaretz.com for a point of view from within Israel that demonstrates the mainstream left side of Israeli opinion. The Pals and their Arab allies have outlined a version of the two states that would be acceptable to them which basically conforms to the 1967 (aka &quot;Green Line&quot;) borders with some one for one land swaps and sharing the city of Jerusalem as the capitol of both countries. This has not been something the Israeli government has been willing to agree to for a host of reasons more numerous than I am prepared to do justice to in a brief comment. I just want to make the point that it is not true that the Palestinian side is the only side that hasn&#39;t been ready for a two state compromise.</p>
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Paradigm Shift

<p>The thing of this war is that going about things trying to prove who is in the right and who is in the wrong and what is objectively &quot;fair&quot; from a historical vantage point hasn&#39;t and won&#39;t help. Both sides are more attached to being right and the other side losing than they are to any kind of compromise - unless they think THE OTHER SIDE LOST WORSE! That&#39;s the formula: if both sides can be convinced that the other side got a worse deal than they did, that could work. That&#39;s how deep the bitterness and sense of injustice goes. Never will the two sides agree to a common version of historical facts. Everything has to be presented with spin. It just goes on and on forever if you try to get to a place where you are siding with one version of who is the bigger victim and who deserves justice more.</p> <p>&nbsp;</p>
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Damn, this is an intense,

<p>Damn, this is an intense, very defensive sounding piece, including comments. Cory, you&#39;re taking a relatively mainstream view on the situation that ignores the imbalance of power and the level constant killing and general violence against the population, political imprisonment, punitive destruction of homes, assasination of political leaders etc. etc. all paid for by the most violent and rich superpower on the planet.</p> <p>&quot;One of the Claims made by the Anti-Zionist/pro-Arab movement is that the Jewish people stole the land from the Palestinians.&quot;<br /> <br /> Cory, that&#39;s just an extremely well documented and ongoing fact. To ignore that you&#39;re seriously putting on blinders not just to historic mass displacement like the Nakba but also to the ongoing expansion of settlements and outright theft of palestinians homes, which is also extremely well documented and regularly addressed as a global political issue by heads of state (such as of the US).</p> <p>I think you should side with those Israelis and Jews who have been fighting the occupation and violence in Palestine (or Zionism) such as in Israeli;s fighting against the apartheid wall (http://www.awalls.org/) or SUSTAIN or BDS groups here in Philly (http://sustainphilly.blogspot.com/ http://www.phillybds.org/)</p>